Aliens?

[Jason R]

Do they exist? I think they do. Cause if you think about it, The universe is abseloutly freakin HUGE. There has to be other life out there. I kinda ties into the Bible, "God created the Heavens". Not one Heaven,multiple. So that makes me think two things:
1)There has to be other life out there.
OR
2) There IS other life out there in our universe as well as other universes due to the "Heavens". A Parralell universe could be a carbon copy of us and is doing the same.

oh and I stole this topics virginity

[killa]

Definitely there has to be other forms of life out there. Even if it is microscopic bacteria or something. I also believe in other universes. The universe is a very strange thing that we haven't even begun to understand.

[ferret15]

i think it would be fun. to fight them :lol: kinda serious but odds our they would be for peace or could totally rape us with out a second though...

[Jason R]

lol Halo

[Sir Paints A-Lot]

Thinking about the universe boggles my mind because it is just ridiculous. On a clear night go outside, let your eyes adjust, and then just look up for a while, it is spectacular and amazing to think how far out you are looking.

As for aliens, I don't think there is intelligent life out there, but simple organisms and stuff probably. The only space bacteria we have found so far is from us but we will see what we find as time goes on.

[killa]

Though we may never find other intelligent life if they are millions of light years away. It would simply be impossible to travel there.

[Jason R]

you never know. Perhaps in a few hundred years well figure it out.

[penguinmasterofdoom]

OMG we've had a thread like this so many times in the past, and I am a fully for there being no other life in the universe.
People say, "oh well we're here, and the universe is so big that there has to be life else where too."
That's wrong, The truth is that the fact that we're here is impossible, and so the odds of something impossible happening twice is impossible squared.
The reason it's impossible is because life is composed of cells, and all cells are made from pre-existing cells. Get how that works? Cells just multiply creating more cells, and that is what all life is composed of.
The problem is if all cells come from pre-existing cells, how did the first cell come to be? Thats one of the major holes in the alien theorys, and its the reason why I don't believe that there could possibly life anywhere else in the universe.

[Jason R]

lold at OMG.

but chance is chance.sometimes were proved wrong. if it happens once,who says it cant happen again

[penguinmasterofdoom]

Well everyone should believe it won't happen again, it goes against Religous beliefs as well as Science.

[ferret15]

but what if we are just some experiment in like a culture. we are grown for the science of something else. we are only happy and content because we don't truly know what lies outside our existence so we are content doing what we have always been doing?

[penguinmasterofdoom]

Wait let me get this straight, Ferret, are you implying that we are just here because some higher lifeform made us so they can study us?
Sounds a lot like Darkcity, anyone watch that movie? It's old, but its the same basic concept

[DEATHx2]

no doubt theres alien.

[penguinmasterofdoom]

You can't just say that, you have to back it up

[ferret15]

yeah, why not. what if the reason there is this bible is because hey. is because the aliens are like.
"hey, were wathing and listening to you guys.. and yeah we pretty much will fuck you up if you get out of hand"
its possible.

and another thing.

what if... we are the aliens? lets be honest. up untill recent history we were just as afraid of the world as it was of us. now we could destroy all life on the planet if the wrong buttons were pressed. well except for bacteria that eat nuclear waste and aren't effected by heat.
as a species. we totally are so different than all of the life forums in our behaviors.
We are so different that we have tried leaving the planet.. and was successful!

so even though were "related" to the apes or whatever.. our behaviors say otherwise.

Just remember
We make shit, They throw shit.

[penguinmasterofdoom]

Even if there were Aliens watching us, that still doesn't explain how they came to be.
And second if there were Aliens, we of course would be Aliens to them and the other way around, the word Alien means, something that is not know to you. So yes we would be alien to another lifeform, if they could somehow exist.

[Daft Punk]

The bible, as ferret15 keeps bringing up, doesn't tell us a lot of things. You can't say, the bible doesn't say so it doesn't exist.

In the Adam and Eve story after their son Cain kills Abel and gets kicked out of wherever AandE are living, Cain travels the land and eventually takes a wife and has kids of his own.

Now. We are told that Adam and Eve were the first man and woman made by God. Then their kids marry some other people WE AREN'T TOLD ABOUT. My point is that the bible didn't even think it could add ONE MORE LINE to genesis to explain this. "And God made more men and women across the earth he created." Not that hard to explain and someone didn't think it important enough to put in the bible.

Maybe God made some aliens too. Maybe he doesn't think it's important for us to know.

[penguinmasterofdoom]

I would have to look more into the whole alien in the bible thing, so I could argue about it.
But at this point the only way anyone has been able to purpose aliens exist, would be if God existed.

[Jason R]

theres a site my friend told me about were its mathmatical and logical proof that GOD exists.

[Daft Punk]

theres a site my friend told me about were its mathmatical and logical proof that GOD exists.

It's prolly some stupid shit like that one thread paints made to scientifically prove that Winston Churchill was carrot by breaking him down.
Or something to do with how impossible it is for us to be here in the first place.

[Sir Paints A-Lot]

[quote="Jason R":14q57qox]theres a site my friend told me about were its mathmatical and logical proof that GOD exists.

It's prolly some stupid shit like that one thread paints made to scientifically prove that Winston Churchill was carrot by breaking him down.
Or something to do with how impossible it is for us to be here in the first place.[/quote:14q57qox]

WOW!!! I completely forgot about that thread.

You can't mathematically prove God exists, but mathematics make the case for abiogenesis (everything coming from nothing) pretty grim. Something had to start the universe, the big bang isn't an explanation because physical matter has to come from something, it can't just be.

[penguinmasterofdoom]

My whole cells thing is a good argument for God existing.
I mean, what if God made the first cell and from that we were all created. I mean something had to make the first living thing, so I say it was God.

[Jason R]

but who created God?

But if Aliens are out there theyre smart enough to stay away from us cause were backwards and a bit too violent

[Daft Punk]

but who created God?



That's just it.
If you believe in God you also have to subscribe to the belief that he was always there, before time he was there. Sitting in heaven for I don't know how long, doing who the hell knows what, before he decided to make some humans. Probably for his entertainment.

It's this whole faith thing I just can't get a hold of man. If God really wanted people to believe in him and come to him he would've made it easy to believe, would've written the bible better so that doubters like me would have no room to doubt.

But then you'll just say, "If he made it easy for many to believe he wouldn't get the smaller number of true die hard followers. That's why he did it the way he did it."
Or you might even say, "God works in mysterious ways."

No one can ever get anywhere with this.

[penguinmasterofdoom]

Well of course we can't get anywhere with that, Daft, but the truth is we won't ever really know until we die.
So the only way to truely know is to wait for death or go looking for it in the form of a bullet to the face.

[Sir Paints A-Lot]

It's this whole faith thing I just can't get a hold of man. If God really wanted people to believe in him and come to him he would've made it easy to believe, would've written the bible better so that doubters like me would have no room to doubt.

The Bible cannot be written any better. It is extremely accurate and not too hard to understand. The hardest things people tend not to grasp is what books (in the Bible) are meant to be taken figuratively and which ones were meant to be literal. Certain books of The Old Testament is full of metaphorical writing. There really isn't too much room to doubt, people are just hard heads. I have people telling me Toyota's are pieces of crap while their Chevy is dead with 80,000 miles and the Toyota has 200,000 miles and still going. With many people there is no possible way to get them to change their mind. These nay sayers of God never studied Scripture let alone read and tried to understand the Bible, they never studied Biblical prophecy, etc. Most of the time they are completely uneducated when it comes to the subject and then have the nerve to say that we "have blind faith"

[penguinmasterofdoom]

I wouldn't say Daft is uneducated as far as the Bible goes. He has actually read the Bible, and was raised as a Christian. He lost his faith later on. So Daft does argue his point with what is written in the Bible, and doesn't go on about random bull shit, like most people.
Just backing him up.

[Sir Paints A-Lot]

I wouldn't say Daft is uneducated as far as the Bible goes. He has actually read the Bible, and was raised as a Christian. He lost his faith later on. So Daft does argue his point with what is written in the Bible, and doesn't go on about random bull shit, like most people.
Just backing him up.

I wasn't pinpointing Daft with my remarks as I have much respect for him, just talking about people in general.

[Daft Punk]

The hardest things people tend not to grasp is what books (in the Bible) are meant to be taken figuratively and which ones were meant to be literal.
Exactly paints.

With that sort of writing educated people can take things from the bible and bend the true meanings of it. Why do you think we have so many different religions based on the same bible? Mormons, Jehovas Witness, Baptists, catholics and christians, they all use the same bible yet they all have different interpretations in their doctrines. Some are completely retarded interpretations too. Such as Mormons, their whole religion can be destroyed with one verse that the bible they profess to follow has. In Galatians ch 1 verse 8 it reads,

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!

The whole Mormon story begins with Joseph Smith being visited by the angel Moroni that brought him an "addition" to the gospel. That right there is already against the bible yet mormons choose to ignore it.

My point is the bible is too damn weird. People need to go to school and learn greek and shit to understand it fully. Why would "the instruction manual to our lives" , as the christians so eloquently put it, be left up to personal interpretation?

[Sir Paints A-Lot]

The hardest things people tend not to grasp is what books (in the Bible) are meant to be taken figuratively and which ones were meant to be literal.
Exactly paints.

With that sort of writing educated people can take things from the bible and bend the true meanings of it. Why do you think we have so many different religions based on the same bible? Mormons, Jehovas Witness, Baptists, catholics and christians, they all use the same bible yet they all have different interpretations in their doctrines. Some are completely retarded interpretations too. Such as Mormons, their whole religion can be destroyed with one verse that the bible they profess to follow has. In Galatians ch 1 verse 8 it reads,

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!

The whole Mormon story begins with Joseph Smith being visited by the angel Moroni that brought him an "addition" to the gospel. That right there is already against the bible yet mormons choose to ignore it.

My point is the bible is too damn weird. People need to go to school and learn greek and shit to understand it fully. Why would "the instruction manual to our lives" , as the christians so eloquently put it, be left up to personal interpretation?

You don't need to go to school to understand it, the best way to understand it would probably be by ignoring denominations and engaging in personal study for a good length of time, and then looking to see which denominations tend to match your views. I can almost guarantee Mormons and JW's will not be near the top of your list. The problem isn't personal interpretation as much as it is people twisting words to fool others and make personal gains. Most of the Bible isn't hard to interpret, but words can be easily mangled to fool people, and that is why there are so many versions of Christianity out there.

just my 2 cents

[Jason R]

i think ill just stick to anarchy.soo much easier

[Daft Punk]

Go live in the forest Jason.

Civilized people are over here :dodgy:

[penguinmasterofdoom]

Go live in the forest Jason.

Civilized people are over here :dodgy:
Best response, that could have been made. :nododgy:

[Daft Punk]

Lol. I just can't understand people that don't think we need a government.
Don't get me wrong, I hate somethings that our government does but they are humans just like you and me.

I can't even be trusted by myself in a room half the time lol.

[Sir Paints A-Lot]

That nut Ron Paul was basically running on a no government platform. He wanted to get rid of almost everything.

[Daft Punk]

I believe it was called grassroots lol.

He wanted to give state law the same power as Federal law.
Which would have been really really weird. But he had the right idea about following and protecting the constitution.

He also had sum crazy idea to back all our money by gold again :/

[Jason R]

well some of us can be trusted.just people like Bush cant be. i like anarchy but i see the need for govt. i just dont it doesnt need to be run by a bunchn of rich old faggots who are doing nothing but running our country into the dirt. I mean the constitution is 20 pages and a single lawy is like 600 pages i think. kinda stupid to me.

[Daft Punk]

I mean the constitution is 20 pages and a single lawy is like 600 pages i think. kinda stupid to me.

Good point. You're just disappointed with modern government. I don't think that means yer an Anarchist. So, ease up on saying that you are one, it gives people an image of you that probably isn't true :/

Like maybe you are dumb.
Which isn't true ;D

[DEATHx2]

so ya.....aliens huh....

[Daft Punk]

There is methane and a lot of simple hydrocarbons on a majority of planets and satellites within our own solar system.

It's ridiculous to say within the entire universe there is nothing but us.

[Jason R]

im no radical anarchist. I just think that people are smart enough to not need a govt and that they can fend for themselves. I really dont like goverment and I really hate how politicians spread there lies. I dont think that you know its no goverment and go akillin and whatnot. I just think that a too heavily structed govt isnt the best idea. People can fend for themselves and most of these laws hold us back. But I still will hate govt.


But theres lif otu there. I honestly think that some of the worlds govts know this and they simply wont tell us cause of the ramifications. I mean if you tell somone that theres something thats just as smart as we are out there that kinda destroys religion.

[Daft Punk]

I read a book that once said all the things about Area 51 and shit are true. The government put out the truth and made it look like it was from stupid crazy paranoid people and then called them lies and refused to acknowledge them.

It was a book that also had Seraphim and fallen angels as the aliens. It was weird.

[amir]

i believe aliens exist.

not like Halo3 creatures, but maybe other beings similar to us.


Take a semester of college astronomy(more physics and shit than the stars), and all these little theories and paradoxes and etc will sometimes convince you there is something out there.

Because we happened. How can something else not happen in the vast universe.

[penguinmasterofdoom]

Because we happened. How can something else not happen in the vast universe.
Ah, remember my first post. Yeah. That's why something else can't happen.
We had a 0% chance of happening and by some, "Divine miracle", we did. What's the chance of something with 0% happening twice? I'll tell you 0^2, which is 0... S#!t.

[Daft Punk]

But it already happened once Pmod.

Quit bringing that lame point up.

[penguinmasterofdoom]

It's not lame first off.
And second, the only thing everyone else keeps bring up is, "Oh the universe is so big there has to be something else out there."
That's all I've been hearing. So all you're going to hear is me saying the same good point.

[Daft Punk]

Step back one second.
This:
the universe is so big there has to be something else out there.
makes much more sense than
We had a 0% chance of being here. What's the chance of something with 0% happening twice? I'll tell you 0^2, which is 0...

Honestly.

[penguinmasterofdoom]

That was just me wording it wierd.
And saying there has to be something else out there makes as much sense as me saying God created us, and we're the only ones, because there is nothing that can disprove the other.

[Jason R]

but because the universe is soo damn big we cant go to another galaxy for atnother few hundred if not thousand of years. If we dont blow ourselves up by then

[penguinmasterofdoom]

I'm pretty sure we'll probably blow ourselves up before we find a way to explore the universe.

[Daft Punk]

At this rate with our shitty propulsion technology yes, It will take hundreds of years before we can travel to other galaxies and shit.

There needs to be a breakthrough in Wormhole technology of something.

[Jason R]

the human race will kill itself before we even break out of here. we may have afewe colonies on mars and such but theyd revolt and wed have a huge ass war

[ferret15]

At this rate with our shitty propulsion technology yes, It will take hundreds of years before we can travel to other galaxies and shit.

There needs to be a breakthrough in Wormhole technology of something.

but we are working on that shit. LHC ring a bell? were on the bring of smashing particals 99.999999~% the speed of light! and in opposite directions. when they do that something will happen. what exactly happens is unknown. but all i know is that when you smash stuff that fast something cool is going to happen.

[penguinmasterofdoom]

all i know is that when you smash stuff that fast something cool is going to happen.
That's what I told my mom when I wanted to smash my old TV with a bat.
It didn't work.

[Jason R]

antimatter ftw!

[Overhaulin'RPM]

------! they're considered aliens in america... so therefore, aliens DO exist :mrgreen:

[Daft Punk]

That's true. But how bout you tone down the slurs yo.
Thanks

[Jason R]

lol

[Overhaulin'RPM]

That's true. But how bout you tone down the slurs yo.
Thanks

Do I HAVE to? I guess I'll use the politically corrext terms for now... Illegal mexican immagrants who crossed the mexican-american border. :dodgy: I felt intelligent saying that

[Jason R]

do you know where America is on the map? just makin sure/

back on hand. I think thet something has to be out there. might not be as fancy as us but somethin is.

[penguinmasterofdoom]

do you know where America is on the map? just makin sure
THANK YOU, I hate people who consider the USA, America.
America is the freakin continent.

[Jason R]

well actually i was talking about the USA as America. if i was referring to the Continent of America i woulda said North America.

[penguinmasterofdoom]

Well than you're in the same boat he is.
America should not be used to signify the USA, Just because the A stands for America. America is the continent hence why Mexico and Canada are a part of America too, along with basically every other country on the Western Hemisphere.

[Daft Punk]

As stupid as it is, most people will know what you are talking about when you say the american border.
Remember Purple? If enough people say it or do it it becomes true.
So pointing it out like this doesn't change anything.

See Also: A$$hole law (http://www.fasthack.com/posts/2825/)

[penguinmasterofdoom]

Yeah, you're right, people will never get common sense.
Too bad.
I hate "purple"

[Daft Punk]

I think you just like to argue.

Yeah, you're right....
Too bad.


Oh fuck you.

[Overhaulin'RPM]

do you know where America is on the map? just makin sure/

back on hand. I think thet something has to be out there. might not be as fancy as us but somethin is.


I live in texas, smartass... ANYWAYS, I also know that Mexico is America's work boots, california is America's asshole, and Canada is America's hat.

[Jason R]

and florida is where all the old farts go.and mexico is where they get their viagra!

[penguinmasterofdoom]

well based on that anatomy of Northern America, I think that makes Kansas the gallbladder...

[Jason R]

DC isnt that the colin or is that the anus?

[Daft Punk]

If cali is the asshole DC can't be the anus.
It's more like the chest or neck.

is conversation is weird.

[penguinmasterofdoom]

Well considering Maine is the Head, DC would be somewhere in the chest, and because it's our nations capitol I would have to call it the Heart.

[DEATHx2]

and florida is americas wing!

[penguinmasterofdoom]

wing? no man, that's like the hands. or something.....
Wait a minute.
I just realized how badly we got off topic.

[DEATHx2]

NO florida is the wing as homer said and homer is never wrong

[Jason R]

wing? no man, that's like the hands. or something.....
Wait a minute.
I just realized how badly we got off topic.
lol i know but its worht it.


but DC has to be part of the assholey thingy.cause all the bullshit comes on out of there.

Were does America repordouce?the statue of liberty or the gate thingamabob?

[penguinmasterofdoom]

That's a good question.
I was going to ask if the USA is a guy or a chick, but it's obviously a guy, because the US is such a dick to the rest of the world.

[Jason R]

well arent we like owned by other countries?

[penguinmasterofdoom]

you mean cuz we owe so much money?
Yeah.
But if all else fails we just go in and start a war with whatever country we have debts with and wipe them out. That's why the US, is a dick.

[Daft Punk]

Florida is the USA's Dick man.

It's soooo obvious.

[Jason R]

then its an awefully tiny dick dude.whats alaska? hawaii must be the poop from Cali,

[penguinmasterofdoom]

I'm going to agree that Hawaii is poop comig from Cali.
But Alaska, that's a tough one.... Tumor???

[Jason R]

no cause canada is americas hat.so itd be the feather right> well mexico would be pants or shoes.

[Daft Punk]

no cause canada is americas hat.so itd be the feather right?

http://www.maskworld.com/pix/costumes/replicas/big/MR-200552-musketier-hut-lederhut-leder-musketeer-leather-hat-cavalier-hat.jpg

gay.

[penguinmasterofdoom]

XD, America is a fag cuz it wears a feather on his hat.
Oh and yeah i would say Mexico is the legs/feet.

[Jason R]

lol well america has somepretty phuckd up bodyparts